Comments on: Separatist Shenanigans at the Lowering of the Senyera http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/ A blog about Valencia - Guide, Photos, Restaurants, Fallas, Videos, Events, Food, Hostels, B&Bs and Hotels Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:57:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: October 9th – Day of the Valencian Community | Hola Valencia Blog http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/comment-page-1/#comment-5049 October 9th – Day of the Valencian Community | Hola Valencia Blog Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:57:06 +0000 http://www.holavalencia.net/?p=564#comment-5049 [...] flag, and at noon it will be lowered down from the Ayuntamiento’s balcony. This was pretty eventful last year, with Catalan nationalists intruding on the celebration. 12:20 – Civic [...] [...] flag, and at noon it will be lowered down from the Ayuntamiento’s balcony. This was pretty eventful last year, with Catalan nationalists intruding on the celebration. 12:20 – Civic [...]

]]> By: FabricalDreams http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/comment-page-1/#comment-1665 FabricalDreams Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:11:44 +0000 http://www.holavalencia.net/?p=564#comment-1665 I don't think this stuff represent anything. I don’t think this stuff represent anything.

]]> By: Recreation of the 1428 Cavalcade | Hola Valencia Blog http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/comment-page-1/#comment-1643 Recreation of the 1428 Cavalcade | Hola Valencia Blog Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:26:46 +0000 http://www.holavalencia.net/?p=564#comment-1643 [...] storm had held off all day on the 9th, allowing the procession of the Senyera to occur, but just as the cavalcade was due to get underway at 17:30, it hit. Nasty weather, [...] [...] storm had held off all day on the 9th, allowing the procession of the Senyera to occur, but just as the cavalcade was due to get underway at 17:30, it hit. Nasty weather, [...]

]]> By: Valentinus http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/comment-page-1/#comment-1640 Valentinus Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:26:00 +0000 http://www.holavalencia.net/?p=564#comment-1640 Valencia IS NOT Catalonia. Valencia IS NOT Castile. Valencia IS Spain. Pro-Catalanists GO HOME!!! Valencia IS NOT Catalonia.

Valencia IS NOT Castile.

Valencia IS Spain.

Pro-Catalanists GO HOME!!!

]]> By: Joan http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/comment-page-1/#comment-1638 Joan Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:40:20 +0000 http://www.holavalencia.net/?p=564#comment-1638 Hi friends, first of all, I'm sorry for my bad english, always I want to study it more but I have no time. Valencian people have a problem, and his name is Spain. Spain its really a countrie's hail, and a lot of valencian people wants to bee free but Spain and his army (PP and PSOE) like's to order us. Valencian people have a dream, we want to get out from our jail, Spain. There's a lot of countrie's that wants to bee free on the iberic peninsule, Euskalherria, Galiza, Catalonia, Valencian Countrie, and we are figthing for get our freedom, because we have another languages diferent from the spanish, another culture diferent from the spanish, another flags and a lot of reasons for be free. Remenber, Valencia is not Spain! Hi friends, first of all, I’m sorry for my bad english, always I want to study it more but I have no time. Valencian people have a problem, and his name is Spain. Spain its really a countrie’s hail, and a lot of valencian people wants to bee free but Spain and his army (PP and PSOE) like’s to order us. Valencian people have a dream, we want to get out from our jail, Spain.

There’s a lot of countrie’s that wants to bee free on the iberic peninsule, Euskalherria, Galiza, Catalonia, Valencian Countrie, and we are figthing for get our freedom, because we have another languages diferent from the spanish, another culture diferent from the spanish, another flags and a lot of reasons for be free.

Remenber, Valencia is not Spain!

]]> By: Catala anti fatxes catalans http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/comment-page-1/#comment-1637 Catala anti fatxes catalans Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:29:51 +0000 http://www.holavalencia.net/?p=564#comment-1637 Stop catalan imperialism !! King of the Valencia is not CAtalonia, Valencia is Spain, CAtalonia is Spain. Independentist catalan is minoriti people. Stop catalan imperialism !! King of the Valencia is not CAtalonia, Valencia is Spain, CAtalonia is Spain. Independentist catalan is minoriti people.

]]> By: Valencianiste http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/comment-page-1/#comment-1636 Valencianiste Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:19:56 +0000 http://www.holavalencia.net/?p=564#comment-1636 Hi, I'm valencian. "Jaume", "Coentor","Freedom catalonia" and "Vicent" must be mad people. Don't you care about them. The valencian reality it's taht the ancient kingdom of Valencia, was founded by Jaume I (a french king from Montpellier)and after, more people emigrated to here from Aragon, Catalonia, Navarra, France, Castilla, even from englans, Germany and Italy (I mean, not only from Catalonia) and created the actual valencian population. Valencian people is a mixed people. It's traditional flag (from centuries) i'ts based on the Aragon flag. The catalanist flag with the red star, it's a catalan version (from the seventies) of the cuban flag. The people who uses that "catalonian-cuban" flag are catalonian invaders, they don't want real independence for valencian people, they only want to change one dependence relationship (Valencia inside Madrid)by other dependence relationship (to get Valencia inside Catalonia). The valencian people don't want to get inside Catalonia because valencians are not catalans, both regions have their own culture and traditions. Greetings from Valencia. Hi, I’m valencian. “Jaume”, “Coentor”,”Freedom catalonia” and “Vicent” must be mad people. Don’t you care about them.

The valencian reality it’s taht the ancient kingdom of Valencia, was founded by Jaume I (a french king from Montpellier)and after, more people emigrated to here from Aragon, Catalonia, Navarra, France, Castilla, even from englans, Germany and Italy (I mean, not only from Catalonia) and created the actual valencian population.

Valencian people is a mixed people. It’s traditional flag (from centuries) i’ts based on the Aragon flag. The catalanist flag with the red star, it’s a catalan version (from the seventies) of the cuban flag. The people who uses that “catalonian-cuban” flag are catalonian invaders, they don’t want real independence for valencian people, they only want to change one dependence relationship (Valencia inside Madrid)by other dependence relationship (to get Valencia inside Catalonia). The valencian people don’t want to get inside Catalonia because valencians are not catalans, both regions have their own culture and traditions.

Greetings from Valencia.

]]> By: Jaume http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/comment-page-1/#comment-1635 Jaume Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:49:07 +0000 http://www.holavalencia.net/?p=564#comment-1635 Hello people, I try to explain you more or less wha am I and a lot of valencian people. We are only valencian, we don't want to be spanish, we are a nation for freedom called País Valencià (Valencian Country), we speak the same language of catalonian, balearic or andorrian people, in some places his name is catalá and in other valencià, but is the same. Our principal nationalist party is called Bloc Nacionalista Valencià www.bloc.ws and we try to give a better and valencian future for our sons and daughthers. I'm sorry for my bad american or english, remember is the same, like spanish or cuban lenguage, or valencià i català. Remember we are País Valencià a nation for freedom *!!!! Hello people, I try to explain you more or less wha am I and a lot of valencian people. We are only valencian, we don’t want to be spanish, we are a nation for freedom called País Valencià (Valencian Country), we speak the same language of catalonian, balearic or andorrian people, in some places his name is catalá and in other valencià, but is the same. Our principal nationalist party is called Bloc Nacionalista Valencià http://www.bloc.ws and we try to give a better and valencian future for our sons and daughthers.

I’m sorry for my bad american or english, remember is the same, like spanish or cuban lenguage, or valencià i català.

Remember we are País Valencià a nation for freedom *!!!!

]]> By: mario http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/comment-page-1/#comment-1634 mario Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:31:28 +0000 http://www.holavalencia.net/?p=564#comment-1634 Hello friends to look we have a problem in españa, the Catalans want to become free and with them they want to free to other communities that not queiren to become free and in addition they want to impose his(her,your) language for obligation erased(smeared) this way the nustra and you want to do that it(he,she) eliminates our history. In valency they make us learn Catalan and his(her,your) history force us! And they want that we are like they and actually(indeed) valency is not catalonia since we are very different and the history says it! Porfavor inhabitants of the world! To be informed about this and to look for information! We need very much support since españa it(he,she) does not defend us and the Valencian ones we are going out! Hello friends to look we have a problem in españa, the Catalans want to become free and with them they want to free to other communities that not queiren to become free and in addition they want to impose his(her,your) language for obligation erased(smeared) this way the nustra and you want to do that it(he,she) eliminates our history. In valency they make us learn Catalan and his(her,your) history force us! And they want that we are like they and actually(indeed) valency is not catalonia since we are very different and the history says it! Porfavor inhabitants of the world! To be informed about this and to look for information! We need very much support since españa it(he,she) does not defend us and the Valencian ones we are going out!

]]> By: Coentor http://www.holavalencia.net/2008/10/11/separatist-shenanigans-at-the-lowering-of-the-senyera/comment-page-1/#comment-1633 Coentor Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:13:34 +0000 http://www.holavalencia.net/?p=564#comment-1633 Well, I believe that all this mess shows how confusing and discussed is the collective identity of the valencian people. Because all the people that appears in the photos are valencian, and feel themself like valencians, both the unionist and the independentist. Just a little like in Northern Ireland. But I believe that Valencia and Catalonia can be compared with Austria and Prusia/Germany. They are two countries which share a culture and a language, they've been politically separated in different kingdoms for centuries, and there have been projects of unification that never succeed. In fact Valencia and Catalonia share more history that this two countires, after all James the I, the conqueror (Jaume el conqueridor), considered the Father of the Valencian Kingdom, was the count of Barcelona and a Catalan himself. In any case, linguist and historicians all over the world have a consensus that the language spoken in València is the same that the one spoken in Catalonia. Some people talked that only a 5% of catalans were in que conquest and repopulation of Valencia. That is just a lie, without reliable fonts that could prove it. I hope that I have achieved to show a little how is our society, out of using simplist sentences like "All unionist/spanish are chetniks" or "all separatist/catalan are nazis". Well, I believe that all this mess shows how confusing and discussed is the collective identity of the valencian people. Because all the people that appears in the photos are valencian, and feel themself like valencians, both the unionist and the independentist. Just a little like in Northern Ireland.

But I believe that Valencia and Catalonia can be compared with Austria and Prusia/Germany.

They are two countries which share a culture and a language, they’ve been politically separated in different kingdoms for centuries, and there have been projects of unification that never succeed. In fact Valencia and Catalonia share more history that this two countires, after all James the I, the conqueror (Jaume el conqueridor), considered the Father of the Valencian Kingdom, was the count of Barcelona and a Catalan himself.

In any case, linguist and historicians all over the world have a consensus that the language spoken in València is the same that the one spoken in Catalonia. Some people talked that only a 5% of catalans were in que conquest and repopulation of Valencia. That is just a lie, without reliable fonts that could prove it.

I hope that I have achieved to show a little how is our society, out of using simplist sentences like “All unionist/spanish are chetniks” or “all separatist/catalan are nazis”.

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